作者: worm (酋長) 看板: C_Guitar
標題: 關於右手的討論
時間: Sat Aug 4 03:00:49 2001

最近在一些討論區中見到關於右手的討論

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討論摘錄如下

Since the subject of hands has been mentioned recently, I heard
something new to me and wonder about it. A friend, who is a good
amateur player, was told by a well-known CG performer that he could
never be a virtuoso because his index and middle fingers were not of
equal length. He has never gotten over this. Is this likely, true, or
absurd?

Bobbie
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If you flick through the pages of a magazine like Classical Guitar
Magazine,which I have on the desk at the moment, you'll see plenty of
photos of hands where the middle finger is longer than the index.

Of course, as regards job prospects, it's also true, I suspect that the
"well-known CG performer" is unlikely ever to become a diplomat....

Regards
Derek Hasted
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That is an interesting comment. I've noticed that some people have an
index finger that is close to the same length as the ring finger a and
for others it's shorter. I think that most people have a shorter index
than middle. My i is quite a bit shorter than my m and I've always had
trouble using my index--m,i scales are difficult. I have a friend whose
i,m are much closer in length and he has no problem with scales. I once
asked Ricardo Iznaola why he turned his hand so for to the right and he
said he would not be able to play with an in-line wrist because his
index is much shorter. There's no problem with virtuosity from him. I
think there are many ways to work around physical differences but who
knows. Can you tell me who the well known player was?


Dean

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This is BULLSHIT, pure and unadulterated.

Perhaps your friend might be interested in the following
corroboration. Anyone who's ever heard Joaquin Clerch perform would
have to acknowledge that the man is a consummate virtuoso. And his
index finger barely comes up beyond the first joint on his middle
finger, IIRC -- at any rate the difference in length is quite
dramatic.

I gather that this sometimes leads him to use i-a fingering in
passages where other players might prefer i-m, but it certainly has no
sort of adverse effect on his virtuosity. It would be a pretty tall
order to match him for speed and tone, let alone surpass him.

A good amateur player is likely to stop short of virtuoso levels due
to time constraints (presumably he has a day job, perhaps a family,
etc. etc), but not by a detail of anatomy that's common to most of the
human race. Offhand I can't think of a single guitarist (or anyone
else, if it comes to that) whose i and m fingers are exactly the same
length.

Eva

PS: Bobbie, I second the request for that "well-known performer's"
name -- in private e-mail if you prefer. As another amateur player
who's been known to stray into the odd masterclass, I'd really like to
steer clear of whoever said that! :)

........................................................

Phil Keagy who has no RH middle finger plays finger style quite well

David Schramm
........................................................

My first 2 cents' worth- and it just got said for me. Dave, Keaggy is
an incredibly fluid and expressive player, and I'd whack my middle
finger in a heartbeat if it meant I could play like him. Great point!

Chris Clendenen
..................

Obviously the relative shortness of the i finger does not prevent one
of playing at virtuoso level, but it does, to my experience, prevent one
to being a natural i-m scale playing person, and it can be also a
hindrance in the process of having a good tone quality with the i
finger on the first string, not to speak of a decent tremolo.
I can tell that because that is pretty much my experience. For many
years I just practiced a lot, trying to use textbook fingerings, just
to be able to play fluently pieces like V-L no.7, El Colibri, Aranjuez,
the last cadenza of the Gentilhombre, C-Tedesco first concerto, etc.
After a few hundred hours, one notices some muscular development, but it
was still far from allowing me to be absolutely fluent in this kind of
piece. It was (is) particularly acute in so-called rest stroke.
Arpeggios are generally fine. In contrast, my first teacher, who was a
weekend player, was (is) amazing at doing exactly that sort of thing.
First one thinks one doesn愒 have talent, then one thinks one is doing
something very wrong. Neither. I started to realize that my hand had a
much more pronounced oscilation when I did that kind of movement than
his. Then I started to observe other people, and, to my experience at
least, the naturally fast players had invariably a longer i finger than
the "clumsy" ones. Once I realized that I just gave up wasting my time
with unsuitable fingerings and started to involve both a and p in
fast scale playing and never had to worry about it ever again. If I ever
want the conventional rest-stroke approach (like in, say, C-Tedesco愀
concerto, last movement) for tonal reasons, I just accomodate my wrist in
order to minimize the length difference (a very common practice, just look
at Segovia, John Mills, J Bream, etc).
I扉e told that sometimes, in masterclasses, my experience, always hoping it
will be helpful for some people to save time and experiment with
unconventional fingerings at the same time they practice i-m. That is what I
do, as did for instance Yepes, and as does Joaquin Clerch, with excellent
results. It is just a shortcut, so that one plays on one愀 strength and
doesn愒 get hurt in the attempt of overcoming an anatomic charachteristic. I
hope nobody has interpreted that advice as a statement that one cannot be a
virtuoso with a short index finger!
Maybe it is a coincidence, but I扉e shaken hands with some naturally fast
people like Pepe Romero, Costas Cotsiolis, Kazuhito Yamashita and Scott
Tennant, and their index finger is about the same length of their a finger,
quite a few milimeters above the last joint of the m finger.
Mine (and Joaquin愀) barely reaches that joint, and is more than a
centimeter shorter than the _a_ finger.
Just a curiosity: the relative size of the index finger is a hormonal
function. at least that is what a medical research in San Francisco says, as
I read it on the Sunday Times. I started to pay attention at that. Something
like ninety per cent of women have the i finger as long as the anular, if
not longer. That is uncommon in men. Actually I扉e never met a man who has
the index longer than the anular. I扉e also noticed that many men in
Southern Spain tend to have the index finger longer than the average. Good
for flamenco.
If anything I扉e said makes any sense, there is a point in incorporating it
into one愀 teaching method.
F Zanon


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